jazzlover
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Post by jazzlover on Dec 2, 2006 3:05:50 GMT -5
Hebrews 12:15 "Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble [you], and thereby many be defiled;"
We are told to not let the sun go down on our wrath. We are also told to forgive. Even part of the Lord's prayer says Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. It is even dangerous to take communion if we are bitter toward any one. I Corinthians 11:27 "Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink [this] cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord." I Corinthians 11:28 "But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of [that] bread, and drink of [that] cup." I Corinthians 11:29 "For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body." I Corinthians 11:30 "For this cause many [are] weak and sickly among you, and many sleep." Jude 1:20 "But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost," Jude 1:21 "Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life."
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drok9
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Post by drok9 on Dec 2, 2006 11:36:09 GMT -5
I am a believer in forgiveness. I hold no bitterness in my heart and I will teach my son to do the same. God will reward a forgiving heart.
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Post by ifayomi on Dec 2, 2006 12:49:57 GMT -5
Easier said than done beleive me
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Post by Blaque on Dec 2, 2006 12:54:40 GMT -5
I struggle with this because while I let go of ill feelings and bitterness, I usually live as if the person I had conflict with don't exist.
I feel at peace although sometimes there is no resolution.
So is that really forgiveness?
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Post by ifayomi on Dec 2, 2006 13:26:52 GMT -5
again easier said than done, I am not a saint I say I do not hold grudges but the reality of things is that deep down inside I know how I behave toward those who have wronged me. I don't think in all reality for most of us forgiveness exist if that meand forgetting, we may say it we may in some cases forgive and treat the person as though nothing ever happened but also it depends on who and what was done. A statement one said to me which I believe is true "if your enemy will kill you today he/she will kill you tommorow" Another statement is "do not leave your enemy standing" again depends on what it is, there are those in my life and possibly all of our lives who are our enemies (and more to it than that) that will harm us, what you gonna do forgive them and let them hurt you I think not. that scripture about if the compell you to go with them one mile go two Colonialist Brainwashing bah Humbug
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Post by Blaque on Dec 2, 2006 13:49:32 GMT -5
also it depends on who and what was done. Very true, compared to others, I haven't REALLY been hurt badly by another person. A lot of what I deal with are relationship issues and backstabbing friends. So it's easy for me to let go because it's not really that serious. Exactly. And why would anyone give another person the ok to repeat whatever was done to them? Like you said, it's easier said than done.
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drok9
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Post by drok9 on Dec 2, 2006 18:03:19 GMT -5
Easier said than done beleive me When you do it everyday .... it is very easy!
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Post by drok9 on Dec 2, 2006 18:07:41 GMT -5
Jesus died on the cross ... remember what He went through .... surely whatever we have gone through on this earth cannot compare to what He went through that night He died on the cross. If He can forgive those ... surely you can too!
Sure, I have been done wrong many times by many people but it feels so good in my heart to forgive them and just move on with my life. Do I hang around them to hurt me again, no ... why would I do that? Sometimes you have seperate yourself from those who do not have your best interest at heart.
I have said this before and I will say it again .... if you expect God to forgive your sins you have to be willing to forgive those who tresspassed against you.
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drok9
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Post by drok9 on Dec 2, 2006 18:19:09 GMT -5
Forgiveness is a very powerful action. Not forgiving someone only hurts you--not the person you refuse to forgive. To forgive someone doesn’t mean that you are condoning the behavior or saying that you are no longer hurt. It does mean that you will no longer waste your energy by holding on to anger.
This common phrase 'not being able to forgive' means that we do not want to forgive rather than the implied 'we cannot forgive.' It is a will problem. And though it seems like a radical statement, we must affirm that the problem in a real sense is not them but us. After all, God worked with the humble sinners rather than with the stubborn and prideful ones.
God will not forgive those who do not forgive others.
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Post by ifayomi on Dec 2, 2006 19:00:32 GMT -5
Not trying to be confrontational, but thats your view thats your view. You speak for god according to the greek new teatament which I do not adhere to so there we have it.
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jazzlover
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Post by jazzlover on Dec 2, 2006 20:02:58 GMT -5
Just think of this in a simple way, Jesus became sin, He knew NO sin and He became SIN for us, all of our filthy sins and habits hung on the cross...for US! Even Jesus disciples ran out on him (all but John) yet He FORGAVE US and THEM! Now who say's they cannot forgive someone?
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Post by lusciouslois on Dec 5, 2006 8:58:49 GMT -5
Forgiveness is a very powerful action. Not forgiving someone only hurts you--not the person you refuse to forgive. To forgive someone doesn’t mean that you are condoning the behavior or saying that you are no longer hurt. It does mean that you will no longer waste your energy by holding on to anger. This common phrase 'not being able to forgive' means that we do not want to forgive rather than the implied 'we cannot forgive.' It is a will problem. And though it seems like a radical statement, we must affirm that the problem in a real sense is not them but us. After all, God worked with the humble sinners rather than with the stubborn and prideful ones. God will not forgive those who do not forgive others. Drok, I have seen many instances of where someone said they forgave another person and they DO CONDONE the very behavior they were supposed to forgive. Also have been subjected to someone asking me for forgiveness but still exhibiting the very behavior(s) they asked forgiveness for. Also, does forgiveness mean figuratively "kisisng the butt" of the person who did you wrong?
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drok9
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Post by drok9 on Dec 6, 2006 19:48:27 GMT -5
No, forgiveness does not mean "kissing someone's butt" however it does mean that you will no longer waste your energy by holding on to anger. Thats all.
I'm not saying that in order to forgive someone you have to continue to let the person wrong you. I've never said that and I would never tell anyone that.
Just as an example, I have a SIL (my husband's only sister) and she hates me just because I look "white" to her. She does not trust me because I look like a white person. She and I have NEVER once had a conversation. She saw me for the first time and cut me off in the same minute. That was 7 years ago. That hurt me bad because 1) I didn't have anything to do with how I came into this world; and 2) she began to cut the relationship off with her only brother because of me.
She soon started telling my husband's family that I was trying to kill my husband and that he should watch the dinners I make because I might put poison in it; She gave "black" books to other family members about how they should watch out for people like me who look white. Then, in public she would ignore me. She also told my husband her brother that I did something to her so of course, I had to deal with my husband on that issue. There was much more.
Fine, I forgave her. Wrote her a letter and everything ... tried to make up but she refused to talk to me. And to make things worse ... she won't acknowledge her only newphew (my son). She will not come into my house because of me and she will not call my house because of me. This is all from a woman who I never had 1 conversation with.
It was painful but I forgave her in my heart. Do I deal with her silliness now .. absolutely not. I'm sorry she was raised to "suspect" people like me but that is her problem and I refuse to waste any of my energy on her.
Thats all I'm saying ... you can forgive and move on if you are dealing with someone who seeks out to hurt you.
I refuse to allow her childish ways cause bitterness to grow in my heart where God cannot reach me.
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Post by lusciouslois on Dec 7, 2006 9:38:19 GMT -5
Thank you, Drok I really didnt think that forgiveness meant kissing butt, for most people anyway. I just have a hard time comprehending "embracing" the very person or thing that hurt you to begin with. (not YOU, Drok)
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Post by Blaque on Dec 7, 2006 9:54:13 GMT -5
Drok, you are an amazing woman. Thanks for sharing that story.
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