Sista Chi
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Post by Sista Chi on Jun 18, 2006 15:23:56 GMT -5
I put 'average' in parenthesis, because let's face it, that label is because of the barbie and ken machine called the entertainment industry. In the eyes of God, NONE of us are average. And on that note, why don't most men see this?
Why are we overlooked?
Do men realize that plenty of money and makeup can produce any one of those women in the magazines and videos?
That anyone of us can be those women with that kind of dough and resource? From Monique to Beyonce'?
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Post by Blaque on Jun 18, 2006 17:57:14 GMT -5
If I've heard it once, I've heard it a million times, men are visual creatures. As if it's ok for women to only date orangutans. Contrary to what some of them were trying to sell us in "Life In General", men respond to the Hallle Berrys and Beyonces of the world. Looks are important to all of us, but at the end of the day, most of us women recognize that it's about heart and character, not what a man looks like.
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Sista Chi
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Post by Sista Chi on Jun 18, 2006 18:00:38 GMT -5
If I've heard it once, I've heard it a million times, men are visual creatures. As if it's ok for women to only date orangutans. Contrary to what some of them were trying to sell us in "Life In General", men respond to the Hallle Berrys and Beyonces of the world. Looks are important to all of us, but at the end of the day, most of us women recognize that it's about heart and character, not what a man looks like. Sho' you right....sho' you right...
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Post by lusciouslois on Jun 19, 2006 8:47:40 GMT -5
Welcome, SistaChi and I bow to you and MsB.......I agree wholeheartedly with what y'all say. Funny you should make a thread about this.....a brother asked what holds us back as a black race and I said that one of the things is the "promotion" of other races, their "beauty," their this and that and the other, especially when it comes to women, hurts us. seems like the Halles and Beyonces of this world, regardless of THEIR personalities or lack of, get all the attention, as well as the other races.
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Post by cinnaroll32 on Jun 19, 2006 17:41:55 GMT -5
If I've heard it once, I've heard it a million times, men are visual creatures. As if it's ok for women to only date orangutans. Contrary to what some of them were trying to sell us in "Life In General", men respond to the Hallle Berrys and Beyonces of the world. Looks are important to all of us, but at the end of the day, most of us women recognize that it's about heart and character, not what a man looks like.
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Sista Chi
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Post by Sista Chi on Jun 20, 2006 15:21:30 GMT -5
Welcome, SistaChi and I bow to you and MsB.......I agree wholeheartedly with what y'all say. Funny you should make a thread about this.....a brother asked what holds us back as a black race and I said that one of the things is the "promotion" of other races, their "beauty," their this and that and the other, especially when it comes to women, hurts us. seems like the Halles and Beyonces of this world, regardless of THEIR personalities or lack of, get all the attention, as well as the other races. Thank you! Glad to be here.
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Post by bmoe on Jun 25, 2006 23:48:53 GMT -5
Ok, I know I am not supposed to be in this room or in this conversation. So first, let me say that, I celebrate the black woman in all her glory. She has born the burdon or the day repeated surviving the challenge. She has raised a nation throught the most difficult of circumstances.
---- Now, Ophra, Tyra, and Queen Latifa have demonstrated the vast gap in appearance when without makeup and with. Men absolutely respond almost subconciously to nice eyes, lips, legs, the softness of a figure, even the shape of the face.
I have often said, It is not the product that sells but the packaging (don't believe me just walk throught Walmart and look at all the junk in nice packages).
Men respond to nicely wrapped packeges (other that hoes an hucci's).
Respectfully I say, some women would benefit by a little makeup and dress up and others just don't need it. Again, I celebrate you in all your glory.
My questions"
Does a woman ever attempt to show power or spite the male by intentionally not adorning herself. Is there any right or wrong in this.
Have you ever found yourself saying "I ain't dressing up like a hucci or otherwise for none of these fools."
Should a woman cater at any time to a mans natural attraction to certain appealing attributes.
Curriously awaiting your responses.
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Sista Chi
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Post by Sista Chi on Jun 26, 2006 1:53:23 GMT -5
author=bmoe board=talk thread=1150662236 post=1151297333]Ok, I know I am not supposed to be in this room or in this conversation. Un-huh...*hands on hips* So first, let me say that, I celebrate the black woman in all her glory. Glad to hear that, Brotha...She has born the burdon or the day repeated surviving the challenge. She has raised a nation throught the most difficult of circumstances. Very true, and the Black man was her foundation.---- Now, Ophra, Tyra, and Queen Latifa have demonstrated the vast gap in appearance when without makeup and with. Men absolutely respond almost subconciously to nice eyes, lips, legs, the softness of a figure, even the shape of the face. Understood. But when you name those body parts I think it's individual beauty in it's natural state that's comes together to make a whole. I have often said, It is not the product that sells but the packaging (don't believe me just walk throught Walmart and look at all the junk in nice packages). We are not material beings...secondly, the best gifts weren't always wrapped or wrapped 'nicely'...gifts were given before there were ribbons and colored paper. They were given, all natural, from hand to hand and it was no less beautiful.Men respond to nicely wrapped packeges (other that hoes an hucci's). Sure, but not always. I have seen a few women that were not wrapped in 'nice packages', being stepped to by men and even now/getting married...why? Because it was nice packaging to that man obviously, and/or that was not his primary focus. He did not put much placing on 'wrapping'. He may have truly liked what was IN the packaging. Some of the 'not so nice packaging' have diamonds in them.
What about the men who holler, "I just want you buck naked with my chain on, that's a waste of money" when a woman spends money wearing lingerie for him? Or it's off in 2.5 seconds??
So no, men do not necessarily HAVE to have nicely wrapped packages, and not exclusively so. Some of you can size a woman up with lazer capacity and know what kind of shape she has with a burlap sack on. And these women STILL get oogled by men, some even raped. Why do women of Islam cover all of their assetts? Why are the men still drawn to women all with the same shapeless ensenble, in spite of, no leg, no thighs, no boobs accentuated, etc? And each party has the right to say they do not want to marry that person.
What about the days where women (and men) were naked and there were marriages (this still exists) that was not based on 'packages'? What about those men that chose a woman based off her CHARACTER which everything else was just secondary??
The question is WHY are most men CONDITIONED to want 'nicely' wrapped packages'? But in specific, why does the average, everyday Brotha, in America, and may or not be in 'nice packaging' themselves, respond to only (or been taught to only respond) to 'nicely wrapped packages' put out on display for their choosing and the others are defective? Respectfully I say, some women would benefit by a little makeup and dress up But see, we all know, this is subjective thinking..beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are men that like her JUST fine without any make-up, revealing clothes and can actually see the 'nice packaging', of the au naturale and truly appreciate it, and these men are truly far and in between, imo. and others just don't need it. Subjective thinking, Brotha. Again, I celebrate you in all your glory. Much appreciated..But in the end, why does it matter who needs to wear make up or not and 'dress up' seductively, if you celebrate us in all our glory? You should be able to see the beauty in us, before any of those superficial things put on our bodies, just as our ancestors did when make up, hosery, bras and shoes, in numerous colors and styles, did not exist.My questions" Does a woman ever attempt to show power or spite the male by intentionally not adorning herself. Is there any right or wrong in this. How can she show power or spite a male by not intentionally adorning herself? How? What would it get her? Especially if she knows, men would look right past her and be like, 'NEXT!!' But then again, if a man would do that, it's his loss, just as you may think it would be her loss, if she did not do this to 'get' a man, and not her brains and personality and just simply be....woman, and do it well, giving it her own personal flava, God gave her.Have you ever found yourself saying "I ain't dressing up like a hucci or otherwise for none of these fools." My question, doesn't necesssary single out 'hucci' style of dress. I do like to look nice for myself. I just do not think I need to go for the latest 'packaging' that happens to have my goods out on display as if I was a box of lemonheads out of other flavors on the shelf, to get your attention, especially when me being a woman is beauty in itself. Why must have to compete? I should be able to compete on my OWN and have men appreciate me period, because I am simply woman. The question, is WHY must I dress up like a 'hucci' to catch your eye, for you to ask this question, as if it is wrong for a woman to not want to be lusted after her body, but appreciated in all her glory FIRST, without showing all this skin and curves? Why??Should a woman cater at any time to a mans natural attraction to certain appealing attributes. A woman should not cater to any man's natural attraction unless it's for her husband, by then whatever she decides to do or not, it doesn't matter to him because he already decided he loved what he saw in the first place, and any extra she does for him, whether for herself or him via a suggestion of is, it would be a BONUS to him. If he is not of that relationship caliber, she should just dress for her comfort zone. He can just take it or leave it and she should be fine with it. Some man will come along and appreciate what she has to offer at some point, Whether she wears a mumu or thong and bra. Regardless, if women started just doing their own thing, you guys will follow suit.
It makes me wonder....if we were all naked again and there were no packinging of any kind to catch your eye, like it used to be, I wonder if you guys would just stay single?? Hmmmm. I think not. But then again, with this type of thinking, women getting play would be based on who has the juciest breasts out there swinging... Curriously awaiting your responses. Thank you for the questions..
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Post by Blaque on Jun 26, 2006 9:52:05 GMT -5
Ok, I know I am not supposed to be in this room or in this conversation. So first, let me say that, I celebrate the black woman in all her glory. She has born the burdon or the day repeated surviving the challenge. She has raised a nation throught the most difficult of circumstances. ---- Now, Ophra, Tyra, and Queen Latifa have demonstrated the vast gap in appearance when without makeup and with. Men absolutely respond almost subconciously to nice eyes, lips, legs, the softness of a figure, even the shape of the face. I have often said, It is not the product that sells but the packaging (don't believe me just walk throught Walmart and look at all the junk in nice packages). Men respond to nicely wrapped packeges (other that hoes an hucci's). Respectfully I say, some women would benefit by a little makeup and dress up and others just don't need it. Again, I celebrate you in all your glory. My questions" Does a woman ever attempt to show power or spite the male by intentionally not adorning herself. Is there any right or wrong in this. Have you ever found yourself saying "I ain't dressing up like a hucci or otherwise for none of these fools." Should a woman cater at any time to a mans natural attraction to certain appealing attributes. Curriously awaiting your responses. You make some beautiful points and pose some very thought provoking questions but if you don't stop posting in the women's forum I am going to smack the back of your hands. And it will hurt me more than it would hurt you my dear Bmoe.
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bmoe
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Post by bmoe on Jun 27, 2006 0:36:41 GMT -5
Yes ma'am Blaque. I don't want my hands slapped.
Women, are be respected. My mom taught me that well. The package is but an illusion as the important part is the woman within.
Humbly, I extend my respect and admiration. I only intended to be thought provoking. Interestingly, the responders comments (Sista Chi) to me said, "Show me (woman) the respect I deserve and I will be the woman that "I" need to be".
I got the response I was looking for and the thrashing I deserved. However, I quest for knowledge and I learned.
Thanks Sista Chi. Thanks Black.
Invite me back if you need some male perspect or need someone to thrash. I am sure I'll grow from the experience.
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Sista Chi
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Post by Sista Chi on Jun 27, 2006 1:20:13 GMT -5
Yes ma'am Blaque. I don't want my hands slapped. Women, are be respected. My mom taught me that well. The package is but an illusion as the important part is the woman within. Humbly, I extend my respect and admiration. I only intended to be thought provoking. Interestingly, the responders comments (Sista Chi) to me said, "Show me (woman) the respect I deserve and I will be the woman that "I" need to be". I got the response I was looking for and the thrashing I deserved. However, I quest for knowledge and I learned. Thanks Sista Chi. Thanks Black. Invite me back if you need some male perspect or need someone to thrash. I am sure I'll grow from the experience. Brotha Bmoe, *bows head* your respect is much appreciated to the fullest. And I will be sure to keep you in mind in the future. But outSIDE of the 'ladies' room' LOL.... ;-)
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