cinnaroll32
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Post by cinnaroll32 on Jan 21, 2007 2:57:14 GMT -5
California lawmaker seeks spanking ban California parents could face jail and a fine for spanking their young children under legislation a state lawmaker has promised to introduce next week. Democratic Assemblywoman Sally Lieber said such a law is needed because spanking victimizes helpless children and breeds violence in society. "I think it's pretty hard to argue you need to beat a child," Lieber said. "Is it OK to whip a 1-year-old or a 6-month-old or a newborn?" Lieber said her proposal would make spanking, hitting and slapping a child under 4 years old a misdemeanor. Adults could face up to a year in jail and a $1,000 fine. Aides to the assemblywoman said they are still working on a definition for spanking. Some Republican lawmakers called the idea ridiculous. But Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said he may be receptive to it even though he has concerns about how the ban would be enforced. The governor said he and his wife, Maria Shriver, did not spank their four children and used alternative methods for discipline. For example, Schwarzenegger said they found it more effective to threaten to take away their children's play time if they didn't do school work. "They hate that much more than getting spanked," he told reporters Friday in Los Angeles. California law permits spanking by parents unless the degree of force is excessive or not appropriate for the child's age. news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070120/ap_on_re_us/spanking_bill_4&printer=1
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Post by Blaque on Jan 21, 2007 8:24:32 GMT -5
I don't believe in spanking, but I think this law is ridiculous. If a parent spanks a 3 year old in their home, how will anyone know?
I agree that parents should not spank their kids. I believe that it teaches children to hit. But I don't see how this law can be enforced.
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cinnaroll32
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Post by cinnaroll32 on Jan 21, 2007 21:49:45 GMT -5
So true Blaque, unless they plan to put cameras in everyone homes.
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sweetpie
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Post by sweetpie on Jan 22, 2007 3:28:39 GMT -5
In my opinion, if you have a strong-willed child and you have instructed that child in the way you want them to go; now that means behavioral attitudes, discipline etc., you sometimes have to get that child's attention in order to prevail in certain situations. Sometimes you can timeout, take away privileges, take away their favorite toy whatever and they deal with it and roll on but the behavior is not changing. Sometimes you gotta to resort to it. There is abuse and there is getting your child's attention. I do not spank very much actually it is rarely because my kids will begin to back off when they see that they are reaching the limit. A responsible person would not spank any child under the age of 2 but one must recognize what the situation is, was it an accident? Was it done spitefully? These things must be considered. I think when you have people that interfere without knowing what is trying to be accomplished it hinders that parent. I am not advocating dumb parents that just take their frustrations out on their children. I am speaking of discipline period there is a way to do things. For example my daughter when she was about 8 hurt a teacher by yanking down on the woman's shoulder and the woman had an operation not too long ago in that area. Now the teacher explained to my daughter that it hurt and she didn't believe the lady so she was kinda talking smack back to the teacher. They called me, I'm like okay WTF??? I asked my daughter about it and essentially admitted it and gave her a light spanking for disrespecting an adult, so I am yada, yada don't do that anymore. The very next day the teacher calls yet AGAIN talking about my daughter's oppositional behavior, acting out etc. I was like Oh heyell no! I am not gonna have a problem child, meaning I'm not gonna be spending time in the principal's office every other day because she can't control her behavior?! I'm gonna nip this in the bud and show her who is boss and that she is supposed to do what I tell her. That evening she got a raw spanking and I made sure the tears were flowing this time. Her instruction was not to disrespect any teacher, not to cause problems in the class and not to show up in the principal's office for stupid crap period. I have not had any problem out of her regarding any teacher since and she is 11 now. What I am saying is I spank for discipline to alter the behavior, it makes the child think... dang do I want to get jacked up for doing that again? My kid will say "See mom I didn't do so-n-so!" and I'm like that's what I am talking about. My kids never threw temper tantrums cuz that behind got beat up off the floor the first time it was attempted. You want to show out I'll give you something to actually cry about. They didn't want that. When you let children do certain things without correcting it in some fashion it will come back and bite you in the behind at the most inopportune moment. Now granted with some kids it doesn't take much discipline wise, I'm speaking of the hardheads.
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Post by Blaque on Jan 22, 2007 16:26:54 GMT -5
Sweetpie, it seems as though you put a lot of thought into how you discipline your children. But I don’t believe a lot of people put that much thought into it. Adults react when their child or children do something wrong. And most of the time when they react, it’s with being physical.
I see it too much. Yelling and hitting only reinforces that behavior in children.
I know someone who beats her grandchild and can’t understand why he still does wrong. Beating him is not teaching him to think about his actions. It’s only teaching him to be violent.
I called Child Protective Services on a family member who was being too rough with her daughter, but she still does it.
Children in my opinion are too fragile. They need words and they learn by hearing things over and over again.
I don’t think there is anything a child could ever do that would make me want to spank him or her. But that’s just me. People have to do what is right for them.
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sweetpie
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Post by sweetpie on Jan 22, 2007 17:12:17 GMT -5
Oh yes, one must not be angry when disciplining a child, in fact I don't really like doing it. But I know I have to get their attention. I got my little belt and even hubby doesn't like a belt he prefers a switch just to get the legs stinging... You are right it depends upon the demeanor of the parent if the parent is just beating the kid the kid knows this. I usually explain (and they hate that) but it changes the behavior and I make sure that I just don't swing wily nily I aim for the behind. When parents usually are being extremely mean to their child it's the other things that is bothering them in their life, the kid is just the catalyst. You can't swing on your boss or whatever but you can swing on your kid. I understand why they want to get it under control because someone will always overdo it. In this society today with stress and money problems etc. it is easy to lose it. But they have to know when and where. The line gets blurry between discipline and "pure " anger.
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Post by Blaque on Jan 23, 2007 10:50:29 GMT -5
Sad but true.
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